ozeco41 wrote:Chainsaw wrote:This war has it's root causes in socioeconomic, and Sociopolitical conflicts dating back 50 years before 9/11/2001 with the founding of the country of Saudi Arabia, and our involvement in the Persian gulf.
It is so much more complex than any one singular event if it were not for the collapse of the USSR, 9/11/2001 would not have occurred.
Agreed. I won't even dispute the 50 years even tho the "white supremacy" and "colonisation" issues go back further. The main factors relevant to the situation are within the 50 years you identify.
My main concern for this forum however is current attempts to force discussion into lower levels than JREF/ISF. As demonstrated currently by Major_Tom and the recent several months campaign by stundie to turn this forum into "JREF Super Lite"
I respect the reason why the founders of this forum established it:
"Our intent is to bring together sincere researchers, irrespective of creed, for constructive dialog and collaboration on 9/11 issues. By "sincere researchers" we mean individuals interested in advancing knowledge and our collective understanding of the events of 9/11. No credentials are required."
They were people of integrity and set up this forum to maintain standards of objectivity, fairness and integrity. Posting ridicule of other members and structuring false arguments in support of such ridicule is a long way from what I think was the original objective.
It should be one of the last bastions of reasoned objective discussion. I find it sad that it is being besieged by those whose primary objectives are false arguments as the basis for pouring ridicule on other members. No better and probably worse than the ongoing nonsense from the "JREF Claque" and the recent even more extreme campaign by ProBonoShill.
Chainsaw wrote:Agreed, one hundred percent, it is a shame that such has became of this forum it was once a bastion of hope for reasoned discussion.
Perhaps there can be no reason discussion now though because few people are left who are interested in it.
I have a few questions:
Can either of you name the 'original founders'?
Can either of you tell me about the early activities of this forum from 2008 to, say, 2011? What was going on in the forum during that period?
I really do appreciate that this forum was referred to as a 'bastion of hope for reasoned discussion'. Can you tell me why and what was being discussed?
I'd like to use this thread to go into some of the history behind the creation of the forum. I was there. I communicated with Greg Urich before this forum began and there are some pretty funny stories about the early forum and how the early work was received outside the forum.
So, could either of you elaborate on your comments and give responses to the questions?
Please voice your concerns.