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DGM wrote:I know it's off topic here but considering you are obviously watching ISF, What do you think of the new Jon Gold thread?
SanderO wrote:You refers to who?
I think he is a sort of truther light and his motivation is to help the victims families... somehow. There was a victim's compensation fund/ settlement which is like an insurance payout... Was it enough? Who knows.
Did they drop the ball?
Do we need to indict people from the GWB administration for negligence? Or worse?
OneWhiteEye wrote:SanderO wrote:You refers to who?
Me, I'd suppose, since we'd just had an exchange.I think he is a sort of truther light and his motivation is to help the victims families... somehow. There was a victim's compensation fund/ settlement which is like an insurance payout... Was it enough? Who knows.
I have no problems with helping the families, although there are all sorts of victims of human and natural calamity and they just keep coming. The victims of whatever tragedy are naturally focused on their cause as they should be. I have to take a higher level view of the situation. The only reason this victim demographic stands out to me is that the event was a shared experience. To the extent their aims may be aligned with my best interests I'm more attentive than in many other cases (e.g. Katrina victims), but not a great deal.Did they drop the ball?
Yes. Unequivocally, yes. That's a separate matter from whether or not it could've been prevented at any time or any level.
I remember when AIDS was ravaging the gay community in the early 80's and during this time the San Francisco bay area radio stations ran a PSA saying it was okay to share toothbrushes. Aside from the fact that gums bleed when brushed so it wasn't okay, who the hell shares a toothbrush?
So, government.Do we need to indict people from the GWB administration for negligence? Or worse?
Worse. But why stop with Bush?
OneWhiteEye wrote:That sort of stuff strikes me the same way as NORAD excuses.
"We were looking outward"
Then you weren't doing your fucking job in its entirety.
DGM wrote:Fact is, the NORAD defense system was in fact geared to look outward.
paloalto wrote:On 6/17/2004, 9/11 Commissioner Jamie Gorelick will question Gen. Myers about NORAD’s mission. “In my experience, the military is very clear about its charters, and who is supposed to do what. So if you go back and you look at the foundational documents for NORAD, they do not say defend us only against a threat coming in from across the ocean, or across our borders. It has two missions, and one of them is control of the airspace above the domestic United States, and aerospace control is defined as providing surveillance and control of the airspace of Canada and the United States. To me that air sovereignty concept means that you have a role which, if you were postured only externally you defined out of the job.” […] “I would like to know, as the second question, is it your job, and if not whose job is it, to make current assessments of a threat, and decide whether you are positioned correctly to carry out a mission, which at least on paper NORAD had.” At the end of this exchange, Gen. Myers asks, “did I answer both questions?” Jamie Gorelick responds, “yes, and no, and my time has expired.” According to information collected by Dean Jackson, NORAD’s mission at the time, coincided with Jamie Gorelick’s understanding of it.
Internal defense was covered by the air-force divided into regional sectors. ATC has a much better picture of air traffic then the primary radar our defense was based on at the time (and largely still is today).
It was always assumed that if there was an intercept it would be an escort giving time to hopefully sort things out peacefully.
You can't shoot down a commercial airliner over a populated area.
I'm sure you know it's not going to make it disappear like in the movies.
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