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Technical notes on video motion analysis

Other 9/11 topics of a technical nature.

Is that all there is?

Postby OneWhiteEye on Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:09 am

Dr. G wrote:...smearograms are our last best hope to figure out what caused the collapse of WTC 7.

I find this a most interesting sentence fragment, coming from you. What I know of you dictates that even fragments are not casually constructed or offered. I also suspect that there is always more an arsenal of analytical skills up the sleeve than meets the eye.

Over here, there are more things going on than being discussed, despite all the words flowing out of this IP address. One of these things is reverse engineering element displacements (by extension, member deformations) from the paltry few illustrations in the NIST report. In showing 3D renderings of their simulations, they have opened the door to at least partial falsification of their model. Having their numeric input and output would be better, but I'm not into that and it's probably not necessary, a few well-synchronized keyframes should do.

One of the first things was digitizing the north face buckle they depict for the debris damage scenario. Pretty damn revealing, it was. One can immediately infer the downward displacement of the roofline at a specific time as demanded by the conformation depicted. From another viewpoint, the observed abrupt initiation and rapid descent of the north roofline has some implications for the lateral acceleration of the buckling hinge, likewise the volumetric displacement of the curtain wall through other members.

It may be possible to construct a 3D map of residuals resulting from the difference between the perimeter shape they predict and the actual perimeter surface over time. NIST has done the equivalent of charting the course and estimated destruction of a hurricane produced by the flap of a butterfly's wings, given only a few snapshots of the butterfly's position at different times. One does NOT need to be schooled and employed in relevant disciplines to rightfully claim that, from a systems theory standpoint, they're asking the public to believe they are modern day Merlins.
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Poof! It's gone

Postby OneWhiteEye on Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:37 pm

It's a good thing my old computer still works. My new one, still under warranty, will work again soon. I'm afraid the next time it successfully boots, it will be back to the out-of-the-box condition; that is, no trace of my previous six months of ownership.

I recommend a frequent back-up schedule. Maybe I'll adhere to one now. I do not recommend a RAID 0 configuration for your primary drive, where the OS is located. I've dared to call others stupid, now the finger points at me.

Maybe I'll get some or all of it back, but I've already resigned myself to total loss of certain efforts, not the least of which was simply configuring that box with the applications and libraries needed. Thankfully, much of the data and results of efforts was written to an external drive, but I haven't backed up code. In software development, I do believe in the adage of throwing the first one away, but this is ridiculous...
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Re: Technical notes on video motion analysis

Postby chek on Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:53 am

Hi OWE

If it's not too late by the time you read this, consider hooking up your old disk to a working system (with a compatible file system) to recover your files or if it's a Windows system try downloading Microsoft DaRT (Diagnostics and Recovery Toolkit) which boots from the CD you burn from the MS ISO. It gives you a Windows environment to transfer files/repair the boot sequence and several other handy options.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=en

If the hard drive is still spinning and not rattling or grinding, chances are it can be recovered by software tools.
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Re: Technical notes on video motion analysis

Postby OneWhiteEye on Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:30 am

Thanks for the tip, chek. It's not too late. It will probably be next week before the tech gets out here. Yes, I've got XP, so I'm checking it out now.

How does this differ from using a Windows boot CD and running the recovery console (which thus far seems not to work, but I probably haven't loaded the RAID drivers)?

From a mean time between failure perspective, hard disk failure (even in a RAID0 pair) seems pretty unlikely, but in one of those rare occasions where I could boot to a recovery screen, the system did not boot at all in Safe Mode and ended up running CHKDSK when using the last known good config... CHKDSK reported many segments unreadable, etc. So, I don't know what's up. Not my cup of tea, unfortunately.

There's certainly no rattling or grinding, though, whew!

Again, thanks for the help!
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Re: Technical notes on video motion analysis

Postby Dr. G on Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:35 am

David Chandler has now posted a third YouTube video on his collapse time analysis of WTC 7.

Just a few quick thoughts:

* Chandler uses NIST's "Camera 2 video" for all his analysis studies. This video was taken about 6 kilometers to the north of Building 7. In contrast, most of NIST's collapse timing measurements were taken from "Camera 3" located only 600 meters to the north of WTC 7. This means that the spatial resolution of Chandler's data is 10 times worse than NIST's Camera 3 data. (See NCSTAR 1-9, Draft Version, page 263.)

* Based mostly on the work of OneWhiteEye, I believe the smallest drop distance discernible in the Camera 3 video is ~ 10 cm. It follows that for Chandler's Camera 2 data, the smallest discernible drop is ~ 1 meter.

* If we use s = 1/2at^2 with a=g (the acceleration due to gravity), we may easily determine that the time for the roofline of WTC 7 to drop one meter from rest was about 0.4 seconds which means that Chandler's effective time resolution for any determination of the moment of collapse initiation could not be better that ~ 0.4 seconds. This would have a major effect on Chandler's calculation of the collapse acceleration over the first 2 - 3 seconds of collapse - a problem that is not mentioned in any of Chandler's videos.

* Chandler's data shown at the start of Part II of his series of videos inexplicably shows that WTC 7 had an apparent initial downward velocity of ~ 1 m/s before collapse initiation. This initial velocity component has mysteriously vanished from the data set shown about 2 minutes and 18 seconds into Chandler's Part III video. We can allow Chandler a little "data massaging", but he cannot hide this evidence of significant measurement errors in his data.
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Re: Technical notes on video motion analysis

Postby chek on Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:44 am

I find the standard XP Recovery console to be slow, clunky apparently unresponsive at times and not very intuitive to use - especially on OEM vendor versions of Windows.

One advantage is that MSDaRT has an auto crash analyser, disc tools and allows access to the XP System Restore, which is handy if your User Profile or other dll dependent services need rebuilt.

Having said that, I haven't used it on a RAID array but it's usually handy to have the RAID/SATA drivers available if needed. The CD will prompt if it needs them. With SATA drives it does ask on some machines and doesn't on others depending on the board. Intel chipsets tend to be favoured.

Here's the info sheet:
"Microsoft DaRT includes the following tools:

Emergency Repair Disk (ERD) Commander
ERD Commander Boot Media Wizard
ERD Help
Chkdsk
Command Line
ERD Explorer
File Search
Notepad
Unzip
Windows Shell
Crash Analyzer Wizard
Disk Commander Wizard
Disk Wipe
ERD Registry Editor
ERD System Restore Wizard
File Restore
Hotfix Uninstall Wizard
Locksmith Wizard
Solution Wizard
System File Repair Wizard
Autoruns
Disk Management
Event Viewer
Services and Drivers
System Information
File Sharing
Map Network Drive
TCP/IP Configuration
The ERD System Restore Wizard can be used to restore a system that cannot be started to a previous restore point.

Note: All of the utilities provided with ERD Commander, except ERD System Restore Wizard, are compatible with Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003. ERD System Restore Wizard is compatible only with Windows XP. Do not use the ERD Commander Boot CD in Windows Vista systems.

Limitations of ERD System Restore Wizard: [Quoted from MSDaRT Release Notes] The ERD System Restore Wizard does not perform a complete System Restore operation as the Windows System Restore of Windows XP SP2. The ERD System Restore Wizard does NOT restore the following information:

ACL changes on files and folders support
SAM Password hashes
Attribute changes
Alternate data streams
Therefore, once the Windows XP SP2 system is back online, it is recommended that you execute a Windows System Restore from a restore point of your choice. The ERD System Restore Wizard should be used to perform the bare minimum of actions that will enable a Windows XP system to start.

Note that the ERD System Restore Wizard is only supported on Windows XP SP2. Windows Server 2003 does not implement the Windows System Restore.

Editor’s note: ERD System Restore Wizard worked just fine when used in a Windows XP SP3 system".


Quick edit: If still possible don't let chkdsk make any changes to the drive. If the boot partition data has become corrupted, it'll see everything as orphan files and attempt to recover them accordingly. But unfortunately not in a very useful format.

Good Luck!
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Re: Technical notes on video motion analysis

Postby OneWhiteEye on Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:27 am

chek, thanks. I'm going to give it a shot. Tomorrow! Enough depressing work for one day.

The chkdsk thing sorta happened, I should have killed it but the bootup was taking forever and I wandered away several times; came back it was running. Then I let it go and it ran for hours! Anyway, I appreciate all the info and I'll see what I can do.
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Re: Technical notes on video motion analysis

Postby OneWhiteEye on Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:51 am

Dr. G wrote:David Chandler has now posted a third YouTube video on his collapse time analysis of WTC 7.

Just a few quick thoughts:
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Thank you for the commentary. I watched this today. I didn't realize the distance and resolution was that different. It only makes the notion of exactly free-fall less meaningful as all these errors accrue.

His statement about the roofline remaining straight is not correct. We know the center area begins moving much earlier than the NW corner but later is a little behind in displacement. It's not fair to measure only the NW corner, then claim NIST lied because the slow phase I is not apparent in the corner data. There are problems with NIST info but this is not one of them. It's fair to ask why the corner moved as it did.
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Re: Technical notes on video motion analysis

Postby einsteen on Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:30 pm

chek & OWE, life could be easy if you clone your whole O/S partition to a .gho file, I also had a power down some weeks ago and even save mode/check disk didn't work, I had to reformat and put the .gho file back. At that time I was in the mood to upgrade my system and created a slipstreamed xp sp3 iso file, I'm now running xpsp3, sp3 on an existing system didn't work. I install all apps (except low-level ones and drivers) with a simple batch file which does unattended installation of all my apps. Enough Puter talk now, that should be a new thread...

Dr.G,

I just downloaded the 3 Chandler videos and will watch them asap. Yes, I also think that the smearogram method is still one of the best methods because it provides the best info. But it will indeed be better if Oprah talks about it for example...
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Re: Technical notes on video motion analysis

Postby OneWhiteEye on Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:34 am

Thanks, einsteen. I'm not a very good systems administrator... on any level. A thread isn't a bad idea. Didn't have the heart to deal with it today. Tomorrow's another day.

Some stream of conciousness to follow. I had ideas of a more organized delivery. Isn't going to happen.
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Many smears

Postby OneWhiteEye on Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:03 am

einsteen wrote:Yes, I also think that the smearogram method is still one of the best methods because it provides the best info. But it will indeed be better if Oprah talks about it for example...

Ha ha, give it some time.

Among the things I don't have to worry about recovering are the 308 smearograms from the CBS video. No reason to sit on them, just because no numbers are forthcoming. If anyone wants to take a stab, be my guest. Being smears, they're pretty revealing in themselves obviously.

It's not practical to post them all, so it's every 25 pixels working from left to right (east to west), starting at pixel column 260. For reference, here is the first frame of the video:

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And the 308 pixel wide subregion which was transformed to einsteen's (not quite yet world-)famous smearograms:

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Column 260 is the second column in the above image. Smears will follow. It's like reading a sonogram, it's fun.
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CBS Columns 260 and 285

Postby OneWhiteEye on Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:08 am

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This last one above, column 285, shows the raggedy penthouse business. All the others are cleaner.
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CBS Columns 310 and 335

Postby OneWhiteEye on Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:11 am

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CBS Columns 360 and 385

Postby OneWhiteEye on Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:14 am

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CBS Columns 410 and 435

Postby OneWhiteEye on Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:16 am

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