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WTC 7 South Side Views

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WTC 7 South Side Views

Postby femr2 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:57 am

Had a listen to Dr. G.'s radio interview and thought I'd start compiling imagery on the south side of WTC 7...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlesuJwwK1g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a94uWPzl3zg

These two focus on the very linear damage surrounding column 20, which NIST incorrectly assumed was only damaged near the roofline.

Please add any glimpses of the south side you find...
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Re: WTC 7 South Side Views

Postby Major_Tom on Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:45 am

Do you have a link to the interview?


I'm having a hard time understanding damage to the south side.

You won't hear much on perimeter peeling anywhere else but on this forum.

Some of us can understand debris displaced far from the base of WTC1 and 2 as perimeter peeling.



We know that damage cannot extend far outwards from the base without such peeling and it always leaves an obvious thick chain of debris. You can always see the perimeter stretched out to the farthest edge of the peel. There are no discontinuities in such stretched out debris. How could there be?

So I naturally look for the peel leading up to WTC7 from WTC1 just as I look at the WTC2 E face peel or the WTC1 W face peel.

And I don't see any.

Peeling acts as continuous sheets. You cannot "fling" anything but small sections of perimeter which we see stuck into a few buildings.


I don't think that people understand that. Substantial debris cannot jump to building 7 without leaving at least some evidence of a continuous perimeter trail behind it.
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Re: WTC 7 South Side Views

Postby femr2 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:58 am

Major_Tom wrote:Do you have a link to the interview?

Sure, though it should probably go in the other forum (will find it)
http://noliesradio.org/archives/3717

I imagine Dr. G. was a bit frustrated with the amount of 'non-scientific' dialogue, but definitely worth a listen.

I'm having a hard time understanding damage to the south side.

You won't hear much on perimeter peeling anywhere else but on this forum.

Some of us can understand debris displaced far from the base of WTC1 and 2 as perimeter peeling.

We know that damage cannot extend far outwards from the base without such peeling and it always leaves an obvious thick chain of debris.

There are numerous large(ish) detached sections that were ejected with significant lateral velocity, a couple of which managed to reach the roofline of WTC 7.

I'll post video to show the actual 'chunks'.

You can always see the perimeter stretched out to the farthest edge of the peel. There are no discontinuities in such stretched out debris. How could there be?

Am sure it'll all come out in the wash from the buckling logging process you/we are working on.
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Re: WTC 7 South Side Views

Postby Major_Tom on Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:21 am

Good collection of clips of WTC7 south side

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVahuOpOJYE&feature=related
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Re: WTC 7 South Side Views

Postby Major_Tom on Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:23 am

Interesting photos and conversation the linked forum pages 1 and 2 at LTF

The last post by Chris Sarns has two images I've never seen. Very good. Shown below.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/2002640/1/
Worth reading.

Image

Image

As important as the (lack of) damage itself is the rubble consisting of perimeter columns on the street leading up to the building.

For those who have been following how perimeter columns are carried away from WTC1 and 2 via "peeling", you know that only isolated sections of perimeter can be "thrown" farther out beyond the intact peeling sheets. There are other examples of perimeter sheets throwing perimeter small perimeter sections beyond the "peel". They are seen sticking into surrounding buildings and they don't do much damage.

Therefore it is the perimeter layout seen on the street leading up to WTC7 that tell you whether a sigificant group of columns could have made contact with the building itself. You would see a large string of perimeter columns leading up to the foot of WTC7 if the top of a "peel" actually made contact with the south side of WTC7.

You don't see it. There is no mechanism to deliver sizable portions of WTC1 to WTC7 without it.

In other words, you do not have to see the south face of WTC7 itself to understand how much of WTC1 could have been available to hit it. Just look at the debris on the street. Do you see evidence of a continuous peel? No.
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