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WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby Major_Tom » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:11 pm

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From this image

If I had access to images like these (like the NIST had), the movement could have been understood a long time ago.

To me, sitting on top of these images for years without doing anything with them is criminal. There was never a mystery as to the progression mechanism, just a bunch of hidden photographs I had no access to.



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The north half of the east wall, NE corner and a bit of the north wall.

Probably just above the 41-43 MER. Needs to be verified.

Whole NE corner is clearly visible.

To me there is very little doubt the NIST hid the collapse progression mechanism from the public. It is so easy to figure out as I have access to more photos. There is no way they could not have known.
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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby Major_Tom » Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:07 pm

A glimpse of the same NE corner broken at a higher level. Maybe fl 70 or higher?

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Highest core columns reach to fl 77.
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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby Major_Tom » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:34 pm

WTC1 west wall: The Mother of all peels, HTFCPNST-class movement


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Isn't it obvious that the huge piece in free-fall is from just above or just below the west wall failure line?


Isn't it obvious that the mass is separated into two types:

1) That in free-fall

2) That not in freefall ???


The NIST was able to recover only a few steel samples from the initiation zone. I can spot the probabe failure along many columns using just this image. Anyone can see where that huge piece is destined to hit the earth, so everyone knows where to find about 30-40 samples of failed columns from the IZ from this image alone.


Uneven ROOSD is clearly visible. All the basic components of a WTC1 west wall model are clearly visible:

1) Portion above the failure line falls outward as 20+ column wide, 6 to 8 story sheets stripped of flooring. Can't miss 'em, folks!

2) No other portion from the failure zone went into free-fall just after the sheets seen falling. There is zero continuity in the process you are witnessing. The group you see falling are the only ones that fell, everything else falling within the confines of the wall.

Important point: The small portion that fell outside the wall during collapse initiation is clearly visible and identifiable as a distinct set of units.

In short, it classifies as HTFCPNST-class behavior. Nobody has an excuse to ignore it unless you are legally blind. (No more excuses for Richard Gage.)


3) The beginnings of the twisting effects of uneven ROOSD
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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby Major_Tom » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:58 pm

Twisting as a result of uneven ROOSD stripping


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If you look carefully you will notice a quite incredible detail about the Mother of all peels.

There is a huge section about 20+ fls high that is rotating in mid air and will actually land face up at a 45 degree angle and not face down like the other pieces.

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The angled piece is facing upward. It actually flips "head-over-heels" in mid air and lands on its "back".
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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby Major_Tom » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:05 pm

And here she is:

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In the world of competitive diving I believe this is called a 3/4 gainer with a 1/4 twist.


And watch how a small strip falls to its final resting place here:

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MER spandrels marked.



When looking at HTFCPNST-type behavior, it is always fun to remember what Bazant says in BV as he formulated his famous "crush down, then crush up", theory:

"Due to a shroud of dust and smoke, the videos of the World Trade Center are only of limited use."


Who is poor Major_Tom to question the trained eye of an expert?
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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby Major_Tom » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:21 pm

As for the large piece in free-fall?

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Failure line along the bottom edge. Under 99th spandrel.


The NIST sat on these photos for almost 10 years and did nothing with them.

I was able to identify all this from images of a much poorer quality a couple of years ago. If we had all the images from the beginning ROOSD and the perimeter failure lines would have taken only a few months to figure out.

The NIST was able to locate only a few columns from the failure zone. There are about 40 samples along the bottom edge of this piece. Even Dr Bazant and David Chandler should be able to predict where it will hit the ground.

WHy didn't anyone just go look at it?
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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby Major_Tom » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:03 pm

A glimpse of the Mother of all peels from a different angle.

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Undergoing a 3/4 gainer with a twist.
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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby MrKoenig » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:25 pm

Similar to that what we have seen on WTC2 west wall:

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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby Major_Tom » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:21 am

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Not just the piece marked with the arrow. A much larger perimeter piece standing just to the right of the core, still erect.

The tallest core column is 501, so it marks the edge of the core. All to the right of it is perimeter.

You can see it in the gif.

Pretty mind-blowing observation. It shows a 50+ story perimeter wall standing erect that I overlooked.

We have been showing for the last 2 years that there is so much in the visual record that has been overlooked. This is another example.
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I agree with your identification of the red arrow element in the rubble, but there is a mystery: If you look carefully, the top of the sheet marked with the red arrow is under a different sheet. How could it end up with its topmost portion tucked under another sheet? We expect the piece to end up lying on top of everything else.
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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby Major_Tom » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:32 am

This shows the west wall that I have identified so far:

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South wall:

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You can see that the piece just to the right of the core fills in a gap that I couldn't recognize before.
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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby MrKoenig » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:23 am

Major_Tom wrote:Not just the piece marked with the arrow. A much larger perimeter piece standing just to the right of the core, still erect.

The tallest core column is 501, so it marks the edge of the core. All to the right of it is perimeter.

You can see it in the gif.

Pretty mind-blowing observation. It shows a 50+ story perimeter wall standing erect that I overlooked.


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Do you mean these "clouds" near the south side?
Don't know. Looks like dark-grey dust trails but I admit that they have an edgy shape.


We have been showing for the last 2 years that there is so much in the visual record that has been overlooked. This is another example.


That is not surprising. Most high-quality videos and pictures were not released until 2010/2011 by NIST. Thanks to the FOIA requests made by International Center for 9/11 Studies and some engaged people in this matter.


I agree with your identification of the red arrow element in the rubble, but there is a mystery: If you look carefully, the top of the sheet marked with the red arrow is under a different sheet. How could it end up with its topmost portion tucked under another sheet? We expect the piece to end up lying on top of everything else.


Good point. But I think that view is deceptive.
It looks more as if the upper end of the "last west sheet" almost exactly hit the edge of the "mother of all sheets ". As far as I can see it on the available pictures, of course.

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Re: WTC1 Perimeter Behavior Finally Revealed

Postby MrKoenig » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:23 pm

I found something in one the NIST FOIA release folders which could be of interest to you, Major.

Layout schemes of the wall panels of all four faces above 6th floor:


WTC1:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5008 ... 41hjpg.jpg

WTC2:
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/6972 ... u41hjp.jpg

The markings show the recovered pieces from salvage yards.
I had to shrink the file size a bit because of Imageshack's size limitation of 5 MB.


Source:
NIST FOIA 09-42, Release #09.
Subfolder directory: WTC-FOIA >> Banovic >> reports >> Task1
From 911datasets.org
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