by SanderO » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:38 pm
Ozzie refers to the grade levels without a clear statement of what distinguishes one from the other. The concept is perfectly clear. This sort of thing is common and there is hardly a way round the problems it creates.
It's almost like the appeal to authority fallacy which many rail against. An example from real life.
I practice architecture and deal with a client who may need a building or an alteration to one he or she owns. I presumably have the technical and legal expertise to produce the drawings and specs to make it happen. They usually don't nor have the time to do it even if they could.
The finished product is something everyone is familiar with and it's part of our lives almost 24/7 - the *built environment*. We have the sort of *experience* when we buy and use cars or planes or boats and so forth. We used the products etc. but we don't have *what it takes* to design or build the many things which are part of our lives.
There are many *grades* of technical expertise along the way to get to the final product. Some of those grades have very esoteric knowledge of a small part but not of the entire big picture or end result. The people who engineer a door hinge are not concerned or involved with the structure of the building or the windows or the paint!
9/11 was something that we all "experienced" and understand as defined and limited by our own technical experience and expertise. The most naive model it in a way that makes sense to them and they ARE correct within the limits of their understanding and more sophisticated understanding is simply inaccessible to them. I can't make sense of most physics except the most basic Newtonian concepts... certainly not quantum physics. I simply have to trust Feyman and Michio Kaku as knowing what they are talking about.
And so we see the I can't explain it but I trust X, Y and Z experts such as Gage, Jones, Harrit and the 1,700 architects who signed a petition.. THEY know. And all those articles and papers and science that they use. And no one can tell me what I am seeing with my own eyes. It looks like explosions and looks like a CD... looks like is understand as ... just another example of...
And then of course ego enters the picture. The false prophets come up with wrong explanations and junk science which many actually BELIEVE to be real science - Chandler comes to mind... and they present so much certainty that others follow and they themselves don't even question their own work... How would it look to admit they made some big boners on basic stuff? Very very bad. And it may undermine the conclusion that their wrong and flawed work was used to derive/support. If you take away the *pillars of truth* in the AE911T Blueprint for Truth as being incorrect assertions and not undisputed facts... the explosive controlled demolition conclusion is out the window. The more pillars that fall the weaker the conclusion they drawn from them is.
The dishonesty is a bit more far reaching with many truthers. While many claim they want the truth and a new investigation... they are not engaged in actually finding the truth as much as assembling a case... and pushing the case for CD and an inside job. What investigation are they actually seeking, if at all? Perhaps the one to determine who and how the insiders did the CD not whether it was a CD... that's all ready settled in their minds.
So here you have a range of people who are intelligent as many of the public is... most without the technical expertise to understand what they saw... few to none have any way to work with the evidence available and most simply take a follow the (chosen) leader role or step up to be one of those chosen leaders.
One glaring example is
"James R. Gourley
James R. Gourley practices primarily in the following areas:
Commercial Litigation, including Intellectual Property Litigation
Intellectual Property Prosecution
Entertainment Law
Franchise Law
Mr. Gourley has represented documentary film makers, helping them successfully defend against copyright infringement claims and negotiate distribution deals with producers and distributors in Hollywood. He has also represented start-up internet companies with copyright and trademark issues, and helped clients enforce and defend patent and other rights in court.
Mr. Gourley has prosecuted and obtained patents for clients in technology fields that range from oil and gas production to food chemistry. He has also applied for and obtained federally registered trademarks for clients in many different industries. Mr. Gourley understands that intellectual property rights are among a company's most valuable assets, and has been successful in helping companies build strong intellectual property portfolios.
In the area of franchise law, Mr. Gourley has drafted Uniform Franchise Offering Circulars and assisted franchising companies complete nationwide state registration campaigns. He has also helped franchising companies expand globally by negotiating international master franchising agreements.
Mr. Gourley earned his Doctor of Jurisprudence degree from Southern Methodist University in 2005. Prior to law school, he graduated from the University of Oklahoma with a Bachelor of Science degree in Chemical Engineering. His undergraduate education exposed him to a wide range of technical courses, including high level organic and physical chemistry, biochemistry, physics, mechanics, electronics and computer science, which gives him the unique ability to help companies protect technology in many different fields.
Mr. Gourley is a registered patent attorney before the United States Patent and Trademark Office. He is also a member of the State Bar of Texas, and admitted to practice before the United States District Courts for the Northern, Southern, Eastern and Western Districts."
This is the same James Gourley who is a co author of the Nano Thermite paper with Jones and Harrit... and "At the conclusion of the Hearings, a final report will be produced and edited by attorney James Gourley, Director of the International Center for 9/11 Studies... "
Ha????????????????????????? An intellectual property attorney is publishing in a engineering journal? Writing the final report about the destruction of the WTC and Director of the International Center for 9/11 Studies???????????????????????
The truth movement seems to care not... He's not the only non expert whatever grade who poses as an expert by writing technical papers or reaching technical conclusions and publishing online and in print, speaking at conferences in disciplines they have no expertise; Add to this category:
David Ray Griffin
Frank Legge
Greg Roberts
Richard Gage
Niels Harrit
Steven Jones
Jim Hoffman
Voctoria Ashley
Graham MacQueen
Jim Fetzer
Sunjata
Kevin Barrett
Shelton Lankford
and many many others
Many of these use their standing within their profession as a stand in for standing in the discipline they are publishing in. Some of them have no serious standing in their own profession to thrust themselves forward as an expert even IN their own profession. Hello Richard Gage.
No humility... no self doubt... no caveats... no room for anything but their conclusions. What grade are these guys on?
What grade are the average truthers on? Take a guy like Senator Gravel who wanted a new investigation... or Ed Asner... who are they listening to? What grade are Asner McKinney:
Lookie here - the witnesses at the Toronto hearings presenting what was to be the best evidence of the inside job:
Mike Gravel is a former U. S. Senator and was a 2008 Presidential Candidate. He coauthored and sponsored the act that created the Alaska State Commission for Human Rights. Senator Gravel served on a number of important committees such as the Joint Committee on Congressional Operations, the Special Committee to Study Secret and Confidential Government Documents, and the United States Congress Joint Committee on Atomic Energy. Recently, he has campaigned for a citizens commission to investigate the events of September 11, 2001.
Cynthia McKinney is a former US Congresswoman and a member of the Green Party since 2007. As a member of the Democratic Party, she served six terms as a member of the United States House of Representatives. In 2008, the Green Party nominated McKinney for President of the United States. She is the first African-American woman to have represented Georgia in the House. McKinney is amongst the first prominent Americans calling for a new and independent investigation into the events of September 11, 2001.
Lance DeHaven-Smith is a Professor in the Reubin O’D. Askew School of Public Administration and Policy at Florida State University. A former President of the Florida Political Science Association, he is the author, coauthor, or editor of 15 books on topics ranging from religion and political philosophy to Florida government and politics. Dr. deHaven-Smith’s articles on State Crimes Against Democracy have set the stage for widespread study in this important new field.
Peter Dale Scott : Born a Canadian, Peter Dale Scott is a former English professor at the University of California, Berkeley, a former diplomat and a poet. He is known for his anti-war stance and his criticism of U.S. foreign policy dating back to the Vietnam War. He spent four years with the Canadian diplomatic service. He retired from the UC Berkeley faculty in 1994. He is the author of numerous books, and his books on deep politics, including ”The Road to 9/11,” have been highly influential among those investigating the events of September 11, 2001.
David Ray Griffin is an American retired professor of philosophy of religion and theology. He is the co-founder of the Center for Process Studies, a research center of Claremont School of Theology which seeks to promote the common good by means of the relational approach found in process thought. More recently, Griffin has published a number of books on the subject of the September 11 attacks. Dr. Griffin’s books and presentations have been among the most important contributions to the 9/11 truth movement. He is a two time Nobel Peace Prize nominee and was named among the New Statemans’ 50 People Who Matter Today.
Michel Chossudovsky is Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Ottawa. He is Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization. He has acted as an economic adviser to governments of developing countries and has worked as a consultant for international organizations including the United Nations Development Programme, United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean, and the World Health Organization. He has written books that highlight the historical relationship between the US government and Al Qaeda.
Barbara Honegger has served as White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy. For over a decade, she was Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, the science, technology and national security affairs graduate research university of the U.S. Department of Defense. Prof. David Ray Griffin has said of her groundbreaking investigative work on the Pentagon attack that “it will transform the discussion of what happened on 9/11.”
Paul Zarembka is Professor of Economics at the State University of New York at Buffalo. He spent two years as a senior research officer for the International Labor Organization in Geneva, Switzerland. Since 1977, Zarembka has been general editor of the hardback series Research in Political Economy, publishing work typically from a marxist perspective. He has held a Fulbright Teaching Award to the Academy of Economics, Poznan, Poland. Zarembka was editor of Frontiers in Econometrics (1974) that included a chapter that became the principal citation for Daniel McFadden’s Nobel Prize in Economics. He is editor of The Hidden History of 9-11 (first edition by Elsevier Press; 2008 expanded edition by Seven Stories Press).
Jay Kolar is a freelance writer in Lake Havasu City, Arizona. As a film studies instructor, he has taught courses in film analysis and mass media at Lane Community College, the University of Iowa, and University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA). His specialization in French Film theory, semiotics, and close structuralist analysis of film alerted his critical response to the events of 9/11/2001, forcing him to examine more closely the available 9/11 footage and subsequent releases of bin Laden and alleged hijacker “Last Will and Testament” martyrdom videos. He authored “What We Now Know about the Alleged 9-11 Hijackers” and its Update in The Hidden History of 9-11, edited by Paul Zarembka (first edition by Elsevier Press; 2008 expanded edition by Seven Stories Press).
Jonathan Cole is a Professional Engineer licensed in New Hampshire and Florida, with 28 years of experience. For more than 10 years he has been the head of a mid-sized engineering firm with some 25 employees. In addition to designing large-scale engineering projects, he has performed services as an expert witness in his field. He volunteers his services for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, in his capacity as a board director. Recently, his experiments related to the thermite theory of destruction for the WTC have become very influential among independent investigators.
David Chandler is known for his 9/11 videos and his success in getting NIST to admit free-fall acceleration for WTC building 7. He is a graduate of Harvey Mudd College and has an MA from Claremont Graduate University, and an MS in mathematics from Cal Poly, Pomona. David’s article, WTC7: NIST Admits Freefall focuses on significant errors and incandescence in the final NIST report on the collapse of tower 7 and includes excerpts from a technical briefing held by NIST on August 26, 2008. During this briefing, questions were put to the panel by Chandler. David’s videos related to the destruction of the WTC have made significant inroads in educating the public about the problems with the official investigations.
Laurie Manwell is a PhD candidate in Behavioral Neuroscience and Toxicology at the University of Guelph. She has published research on the effects of drugs on learning, memory, behavior, information processing, self-esteem, emotion, motivation, cellular and molecular biology, and most recently on political psychology and democracy (American Behavioral Scientist). Her recent article was part of a special issue of six articles on State Crimes Against Democracy (SCADs) published in the February 2010 edition of American Behavioral Scientist.
Niels Harrit : After teaching Chemistry at the University of Copenhagen for forty years, Professor Harrit retired to devote his time to seeking truth and justice. He has published numerous peer-reviewed articles in the best scientific journals available and his most recent paper, “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the WTC Catastrophe” has become a topic of great interest in the international community. Professor Harrit now gives presentations on 9/11 to enthusiastic audiences around the world.
Richard Gage, AIA, is a San Francisco Bay Area architect and a member of the American Institute of Architects. He has been an architect for over 23 years and has worked on most types of building construction, including numerous fire-proofed, steel-framed buildings. Since founding Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) in 2006, Gage has presented Blueprint for Truth all over the world, and he has appeared on radio shows and television spots. AE911Truth now includes nearly 1,500 licensed and degreed architects and engineers who are calling for a new investigation into the events at the World Trade Center on 9/11/01.
Graeme MacQueen received his Ph.D. in comparative religion from Harvard University and taught in the Religious Studies department of McMaster University for 30 years. He became founding Director of the Centre for Peace Studies at McMaster, after which he co-directed peace-building projects in Sri Lanka, Gaza, Croatia and Afghanistan. He has published numerous peer-reviewed articles and book chapters as well as four books. He has written four research articles on 9/11 and is a recognized authority on the eyewitness testimony related to the destruction of the WTC.
Kevin Ryan: Through his work at Underwriters Laboratories (UL), Ryan began to investigate the tragedy of September 11th, 2001. He was fired by UL, in 2004, for publicly asking questions about the WTC investigation being conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Ryan has served as co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies, and a member and/or director of a number of 9/11 truth groups. Additionally, Ryan has co-authored several books and peer-reviewed scientific articles on the subject.
This is a media circus like most things in the USA...
*see footnote
More interested in what moves and when.
