The 9/11 Forum

Alex Jones' Infowars web site has nearly 100 links to, or articles from the American Free Press. The American Free Press is run by Willis Carto who also runs the revisionist The Barns Review. The Barnes Review has articles defending and even praising Hitler as well as articles denying the holocaust. While the questioning of facts surrounding the holocaust can certainly be considered reasonable inquiry for legitimate historians, the work of The Barns Review and the American Free Press is questionable at best and appears to me to be nothing other than racist and anti-jewish propaganda.

The new film, "Fabled Enemies" by Jason Bermas, is produced by Alex Jones and thereby connects Jason Bermas to racist and anti-jewish factions.

Alex Jones and Jason Bermas should be called to the mat to answer why they maintain these associations and why, by association, they support these organizations and their ideas. I for one, am horrified that these organizations are in any way connected to the truth movement, regardless of any possible veracity of their reporting in that context.

Hambone wrote:Alex Jones' Infowars web site has nearly 100 links to, or articles from the American Free Press. The American Free Press is run by Willis Carto who also runs the revisionist The Barns Review. The Barnes Review has articles defending and even praising Hitler as well as articles denying the holocaust. While the questioning of facts surrounding the holocaust can certainly be considered reasonable inquiry for legitimate historians, the work of The Barns Review and the American Free Press is questionable at best and appears to me to be nothing other than racist and anti-jewish propaganda.

Do links from the Barnes Review appear at infowars? If the only "link" between the two web sites is Carto, the man, I can see where there would be a problem, but still this is not the same as having web hyperlinks between them.

As far as infowars goes, I don't fully trust Alex Jones' judgement and pronouncements, even if I admire his enthusiasm. OTOH, whatever his web site associations may be, he sometimes has great guests, such as Ray McGovern. (The same is true of Jeff Rense, who carries all kinds of crap, and uses the word "Zionist" to describe groups with agendas that, for the life of me, I can't see what they could possibly have to do with Zion.)

Unfortunately, as 911 is a bit of a fringe area, there typically not a large number of main stream sources one can go to for 911 news and opinion. Likewise, what mainstream source carried Ray McGovern's warnings about a possible false flag attack, designed to precipitate war with Iran?

The new film, "Fabled Enemies" by Jason Bermas, is produced by Alex Jones and thereby connects Jason Bermas to racist and anti-jewish factions.

Alex Jones and Jason Bermas should be called to the mat to answer why they maintain these associations and why, by association, they support these organizations and their ideas.

Do you really believe that Jason Bermas "supports these organizations and their ideas"?

If you answer "yes, by way of association", consider: The NY Times published Judith Miller's crap, which helped paved the way for the deaths of over a million Iraqis. Some people, like Gary Null, have argued that Miller should be brought up on war crimes charges. Gary Null, by the way, has an encyclopedic mind, and has made a particular study of Nazi history. I'm sure that includes their war crimes trials.

Now, if I make a movie with a NY Times news reporter, by such logic I am now 'linked' to an anti-Semitic organization. The Semites, in this case, are Iraqi Arabs. Does that make me an evil person, or somebody that supports the NY Times in all areas, or somebody that supported the specific propaganda efforts which led to the unnecessary deaths of so many innocents in Iraq? Even "by association"?

A similar argument could be applied to the left gatekeeper media, of which I'm not aware of a single one which sponsored serious research into 911. Amy Goodman did some interviews of 911 Truthers, but did she ever authorize money to be spent to track down Mohammed Atta's non-Middle Eastern drug friends?

Since she's (normally) a good journalist, we can't expect her to go to press with information that has not been verified. But if she completely failed to 1) even try to do so, within the confines of her Democracy Now organization and 2) call other journalists to account about their failure to try, should we now conclude that she is a racist, who doesn't mind Arabs being blamed when there is likely evidence that they were the patsies in a larger nexus of a group involving non-Arabs and non-Muslims?

Should we be sufficiently horrified to not reference anything from Democracy Now? In this case, Democracy Now's sin is more one of omission than commission, but I don't think that distinction is all that important, morally.

Willis Carto signed the New Orleans Protocol on behalf of the American Free Press.

Signatories of the New Orleans Protocol:

The founding endorsers of the New Orleans Protocol are David Duke of EURO and The David Duke Report, Don Black of Stormfront.org, long-time writer and activist Sam G. Dickson, John Tyndall (a founder of the British National Party, but not currently in an executive position in that party), Willis Carto of the American Free Press, Dr. Ed Fields, a National Alliance member and publisher of The Truth at Last newspaper, Kevin Alfred Strom, Media Director of the National Alliance, and David Pringle, Membership Coordinator of the National Alliance, and Paul Fromm of the Canadian Association for Free Expression.

The over-arching idea shared by these groups is white nationalism or white racial purity. My belief is that white nationalism is a politically correct euphemism for white supremacy.

Stormfront.org permits forum members to have signatures such as "You can teach a monkey to fly into space, yet you can't teach a Negro not to steal." Need we say more about this organization.

I'm looking at the other groups and will report back.

ETA: The Council of Conservative Citizens has been characterized as:

"In fact, the Council of Conservative Citizens promotes the views of its leaders and prominent members – a number of whom are strong believers in the preservation of the 'white race,' disagree with Supreme Court rulings ordering desegregation of public facilities and believe the United States is on the verge of losing its identity as a white, European nation." (Thomas B. Edsall wrote January 13, 1999, in The Washington Post.)

I have been doing a little reading at their site. They are definitely against the toleration of mixing races and homosexuality. The site also highlights crimes committed by blacks and has a large amount of historical revisionist articles about black history and achievements. My impression is that these people are promoting denigration of blacks and other races without using language that can literally be classified as "hate speech".

ETA2: The National Alliance is clearly white supremacist as demonstrated by their general principles.

i would like to distance my self from any Racist or Nazy link to the TM.
im not a member of the TM, im just very doubtfull about what really happened on 9/11.
And i absolutly reject anything that has to do with Nazi's or NeoNazis or other forms of racism, Anti-semitism.

I'd be willing to try and contact Alex and Jason regarding this issue with a polite statement of the problem and a request for a statement against racism. Would anyone be willing to add their name as a signatory?

Hambone wrote:I'd be willing to try and contact Alex and Jason regarding this issue with a polite statement of the problem and a request for a statement against racism. Would anyone be willing to add their name as a signatory?

against Racism? sure anytime.

Hambone wrote:Alex Jones' Infowars web site has nearly 100 links to, or articles from the American Free Press. The American Free Press is run by Willis Carto who also runs the revisionist The Barns Review. The Barnes Review has articles defending and even praising Hitler as well as articles denying the holocaust. While the questioning of facts surrounding the holocaust can certainly be considered reasonable inquiry for legitimate historians, the work of The Barns Review and the American Free Press is questionable at best and appears to me to be nothing other than racist and anti-jewish propaganda.

The new film, "Fabled Enemies" by Jason Bermas, is produced by Alex Jones and thereby connects Jason Bermas to racist and anti-jewish factions.

Alex Jones and Jason Bermas should be called to the mat to answer why they maintain these associations and why, by association, they support these organizations and their ideas. I for one, am horrified that these organizations are in any way connected to the truth movement, regardless of any possible veracity of their reporting in that context.

In defense of Alex Jones, I've been listening to him for years prior to 9/11, and he's not a bigot. He's certainly not perfect, but at risk of being labeled crazy as well, I have concluded his worldview is unfortunately more or less accurate. Jones has plenty of (anti-semitic) critics who lambaste him for not blaming jews at every opportunity (or at all), and anyone who has listened to Jones at length knows this.

I would also agree with your points about Carto and his blatant anti-semitisim, but I would point out that it is a fallacy to suggest that this automatically invalidates the truth of any specific AFP article. Bigots and even liars can sometimes tell the truth. I would also hesitate to call Jones linking of AFP articles on his website as an "association". Jones links to a great many sources which would be considered marginal or controversial by a lot of people. The 9/11 truth movement is very diverse, and it has made some strange bedfellows. I think anyone who tries to apply broad generalizations to this movement is way off base, and i think anyone who would discount what the TM has to say on this basis is unreachable anyway.

When will this happen with the Letter?

Hambone wrote:I'd be willing to try and contact Alex and Jason regarding this issue with a polite statement of the problem and a request for a statement against racism. Would anyone be willing to add their name as a signatory?

I would also join in that letter.

Could we also espand this letter to include a Non-violence message ?