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Comprehensive list of questionable WTC7 collapse features

Analysis of fire and collapse theories and examination of related evidence.

Re: Comprehensive list of questionable WTC7 collapse features

Postby peterene1 on Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:17 pm

May I suggest you adding floor numbers to each incident, or precise data on the freefall lenght?

It would give the viewer the much needed hint.

i.e. the freefall corresponds to 8 floors,..... we observed the jet of flames from the 13th floor, NIST places the initiation on the 13th floor too

Barry Jennings experienced explosion at the 5th/6th floor.The smoke which was seen rising along with the jet of flames originated from somwhere below the 10th floor.

The know oppenings below that point were: ......and the 5th floor with metal louvers instead of glass.

Floors 5 and 6 were mechanical floors.......


You should lead the list in that direction.

you should also coinsider adding informations from this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sI2gP7_xdA

I know, that it isn't appropiate, but the metal louvers of the 5th floor (offering shelter from the blasts)........5th and 13th floor are the primary suspects.

There are many more things to add into the list.
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Re: Comprehensive list of questionable WTC7 collapse features

Postby einsteen on Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:27 pm

Not only the collapse is questionable but also the theory that the failure of a single-column triggers this kind of "progressive collapse". For me wtc7 wil always be the strangest thing of 911.
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Re: Comprehensive list of questionable WTC7 collapse features

Postby femr2 on Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:50 pm

Major_Tom wrote:The list.......

Questionable WTC7 features...

Sorry I've not been around for a while. Moved.

The very symmetrical damage surrounding column 20 could do with scrutiny I think...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a94uWPzl3zg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlesuJwwK1g
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Re: Comprehensive list of questionable WTC7 collapse features

Postby Major_Tom on Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:41 am

P1, einsteen, femr, I agree with all points mentioned.

Femr, nice to see you are still around.


Concerning the symmetry claim:

A close-up of the roofline descent shows the building interior fail slightly before the exterior walls.

In the quality video clip http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3132857754400064872&q=south+tower+collapse+close+up&total=27&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7#


We notice, in order:

1) East Penthouse Collapses from left to right (In the OP of "column 79? Oh, really?" thread there is well-documented smoke suction from behind the east penthouse before it collapses)

2) Rest of penthouse collapses, all supporting columns seem to lose strength simultaneously. Do you see the penthouse "wiggling" after the east side falls but before the rest of it falls?

3) The whole outside of the building follows closely behind. There is maybe a one second delay between the simultaneous failure of the penthouse columns and the equally simultaneous faiure of the entire perimeter.


We know that the whole penthouse fell slightly before exterior of the building because we can the penthouse disappear within the building in the video.


This helps confirm the probable order of column failure. The interior columns failed just before the exterior frame, pulling the exterior inwards and over the interior.

The early fall of the penthouse allow the building to fold inwards while falling.


For column failure, it seems to mean column 79, 80, 81 fails first (hence smoke suction followed by the east penthouse). This is followed by a near simultaneous failure of all inner columns holding up the penthouse as the above video seems to show. Just a second after we see the penthouse start to move the rest of the building starts to move.


I think this is pretty interesting. It seems to confirm what Dr G has said about the entire building moving together and not just some "exterior shell".

It shows how the building pulls the exterior slightly inwards and why the rubble shows the outside of the building folded over the inside.


This is pretty cool because we can see collapse of interior columns via early penthouse movement. In a sense we are looking at a building (penthouse) on top of another building. Contrast in motion of the two buildings allows us to see inner vs exterior column failure. We can see a slight delay between interior column failure and exterior failure by the way the entire penthouse slowly disappears into the building in the video.
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Re: Comprehensive list of questionable WTC7 collapse features

Postby peterene1 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:16 pm

I suggest that watching the cracking of windows during the collapse can offer a little clue on the internal movements during the collapse, there are some interesting assotiations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ6-kJb9CAE
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