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Aircraft debris, the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 (Boeing 757-222) and some personal belongings of the passengers and hijackers. Photos have low quality and were used in the Moussaoui Trial.

Descriptions taken from the source site:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

Photograph of the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Photograph of the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Photograph of the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Photograph of an airplane part found in the crater at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Photograph of an airplane part found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Photograph of an airplane part found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Photograph of debris found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Photograph of debris found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Photograph of the cockpit voice recorder found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Photograph of the flight data recorder found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Photograph of the driver's license of John Talignani found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Photograph of the personal effects of CeeCee Lyles found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ID card recovered from the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site

Saudi Arabian Youth Hostel Association ID for Ahmed A. A. Al-Nami recovered from the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site

Passport sized photo recovered from the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site

Passport sized photo recovered from the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site

Page 37 and part of U.S. Visa page from Ziad Jarrah's Passport recovered at the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia passport for Saeed A A A Al Ghamdi recovered from the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site

Business card of Assem Jarrah recovered from the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site

Part of Ahmed A A Al Nami's [misspelled: Ahmed A. Al-Nami] Florida Driver's License recovered from the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site

Aerial shot found on the official website of CIA. Shot from northern direction.
Photograph taken according metadata on September 13th, 2001.

Note the huge smoking gap in wooded area and missing power lines between the two masts in front of it and also the field road covered with debris above:

It appears that most of the plane disappeared in the wood not in the small crater as many people claim.
Source:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... llery.html



Aerial photo taken by the FBI. Looking toward north.
Date unknown. Enlarged version of original file, converted from JPG to PNG.

Source:
http://framework.latimes.com/2010/09/10 ... -2001/#/28



Landing gear wheels (or portions of them):

Source unknown.

Images taken by EPA.







Source: Unknown

Photographer: Scott Goldsmith

Source:
http://lightbox.time.com/?attachment_id=8421

Photographer: Scott Goldsmith

Enlarged version.

Description from website:
At the Shanksville crash site, spray-painted X's and arrows still mark the trees that held aircraft debris and human remains.

Source:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/photograph ... hp?image=1



Photographer: Mark Stahl

Source:
http://www.theworldsprophecy.com/flight-93/flight93_pm/



Excerpt probably from a newspaper. The used photo was taken by David Lloyd:

Note the piece in the lower left corner. A landing gear tire?
Source:
http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z60/ ... estion.jpg



Photographer: David Maxwell

Description from the website:
Investigative personnel search the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 on September 12, 2001, the day after it crashed during the 9/11 attacks.

Source:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/photos/2011/ ... 205434.htm

GTE airphone remains allegedly found at the crash site:



Source:
http://americanhistory.si.edu/militaryh ... .asp?ID=28

Description from linked website:

Dimensions / Weight

Dimensions: 8" H x 3.75" W x 1.5" D


Physical Description

Broken, white plastic Airfone.


Specific History

This mangled and broken GTE Airfone was recovered from the debris of Flight 93 in Pennsylvania. Of the four planes hijacked on 11 September 2001, United Airlines Flight 93 was the only one that did not reach its destination. It crashed in a field outside of Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Many people on this flight used Airfones to call loved ones on the ground relaying information about the hijacking and offering final goodbyes.


General History

In the mid-1980s commercial mobile telephony took to the air. The North American terrestrial system or NATS was introduced by Airfone in 1984. General Telephone and Electric soon bought out the company. The aeronautical public correspondence or APC service breaks down into two divisions. The first is the ground or terrestial based system (TAPC). That's where aircraft placed telephone calls go directly to a ground station. The satellite-based division, which came much later, places calls to a satellite which then relays the transmission to a ground station.

Some artifacts from an exhibit at Smithsonian Museum:

1) 2) 3)

1) http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2987 ... eces01.jpg
2) http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3184/s ... eces02.jpg
3) http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2619/s ... eces03.jpg

Found on flickr.com but forgotten the exact source link.


More pictures:

1)
http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/2267/smithsonianpreviewsnewe.jpg

A flight attendant call button from United Flight 93 found at the crash site in Shanksville, Pennsylvania is displayed alongside other artifacts from the September 11, 2001 attacks as part of an exhibit at the Smithsonian National Museum of American History September 1, 2011 in Washington, DC. For nine days leading up to the 10th anniversary of the terrorist attacks, the Museum will display more than 50 objects from the World Trade Center, Pentagon and Shanksville, Pennsylvania, in an exhibit titled, "September 11: Remembrance and Reflection."
(August 31, 2011 - Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images North America)

Source: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/aj7-P6Z8HT0/Smithsonian+Previews+New+Exhibit+Objects+Sites/9nZS4UgBEff

2)
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2267 ... wsnewe.jpg

Seatbelts and other items from United Flight 93 found at the crash site in Shanksville, Pennsylvania are displayed as part [...]
(August 31, 2011 - Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images North America)

Source: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/aj7-P6Z8 ... xwR3aq3IIo

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3) http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2267/smithsonianpreviewsnewe.jpg
4) http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2267/smithsonianpreviewsnewe.jpg

A twisted piece of the fuselage of United Flight 93 found at the crash site in Shanksville, Pennsylvania [...]
(August 31, 2011 - Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images North America)

Source:
3) http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/aj7-P6Z8HT0/Smithsonian+Previews+New+Exhibit+Objects+Sites/nnhMkQUcIr8
4) http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/aj7-P6Z8HT0/Smithsonian+Previews+New+Exhibit+Objects+Sites/ruDvX9V4tmU

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http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2267/smithsonianpreviewsnewe.jpg

Seatbelts from United Flight 93 found at the crash site in Shanksville, Pennsylvania [...]
August 31, 2011 - Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images North America)

Source: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/aj7-P6Z8 ... a9RmL667e7

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http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2267/smithsonianpreviewsnewe.jpg

A flight attendant's logbook belonging to Lorraine Bay from United Flight 93 that was found at the crash site in Shanksville, Pennsylvania [...]
(August 31, 2011 - Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images North America)

Source: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/aj7-P6Z8HT0/Smithsonian+Previews+New+Exhibit+Objects+Sites/R1YeC0CcsoR

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http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2267/smithsonianpreviewsnewe.jpg

A twisted piece of the fuselage of United Flight 93 found at the crash site in Shanksville, Pennsylvania [...]
(August 31, 2011 - Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images North America)

Source: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/aj7-P6Z8HT0/Smithsonian+Previews+New+Exhibit+Objects+Sites/wvl8-aeCZvM

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8 ) http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2267/smithsonianpreviewsnewe.jpg
9) http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4005/smithsonianpreviewsnewen.jpg

A flight speed indicator from United Flight 93 found at the crash site in Shanksville, Pennsylvania [...]
(August 31, 2011 - Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images North America)

Source:
8 ) http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/aj7-P6Z8HT0/Smithsonian+Previews+New+Exhibit+Objects+Sites/W_wteV8biJ2
9) http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/aj7-P6Z8HT0/Smithsonian+Previews+New+Exhibit+Objects+Sites/ZRub9ZuvcEM

MrKoenig wrote:Aircraft debris, the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 (Boeing 757-222) and some personal belongings of the passengers and hijackers. Photos have low quality and were used in the Moussaoui Trial.

Descriptions taken from the source site:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

SNIP
[NOTE by Pablo: the following is the 12th foto in the first post in this thread]

Photograph of the personal effects of CeeCee Lyles found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed

SNIP OUT EVERYTHING AFTER THIS}
[The following is from the "consensus911" website:
First a quote, then the actual footnote #39:]

Other reasons to suggest that this phone call was simulated include CeeCee Lyles’ apparently simulated Florida driver’s license that was allegedly found at the crash site of Flight 93. This license was a duplicate, issued in 1997 under her married name to Lyles. However, at that time she was still married to her second husband, three years before she married Lyles in 2000. [39] That this “duplicate” drivers license was found at all is highly questionable, considering the report of a volunteer fireman at the scene, who saw “debris everywhere, pieces of metal, paper, insulation, wiring, and I just looked around, and no people, and I’m thinking, ‘where are the people?’” [40]

[HERE'S FOOTNOTE 39]
[39] The following summary concerning the Lyles “duplicate” drivers license found at the crash site has been taken from a British website: “The United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui Prosecution Trial Exhibit # P200069 is the photograph of the driver’s license of CeeCee Lyles which was claimed to be found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where United Airlines Flight 93 supposedly crashed. An examination [of] the CeeCee Ross Lyles driver’s license shows an issue date of 12/02/1997. However, CeeCee L Ross DID NOT have the surname of Lyles in 1997. An examination of her certificate of marriage to Lorne Von Lyles issued in Hillsborough County, Florida, reports the date of marriage to be 05/01/2000. An examination of St. Lucie County marriage records indicates that CeeCee Ross was married to Ademil Danilo Castrillo on 08/14/1994 with a dissolution of marriage filed on 04/23/1999.” http://www.coffinman.co.uk/911_evidence_tampering.htm
Photos of the driver’s license and marriage certificate are available at http://letsrollforums.com/ceecee-lyles-t17044p3.html

Pablo comments:
As I understand it, the first people who arrived at the supposed crash scene ALL are quoted as saying that they saw (or smelled) NOTHING that made them think a plane had crashed there. No smell of fuel (there should have been a tremendous amount), no body parts, no significant plane parts. So, IF Cee Cee Ross Lyles' "drivers license" is a FAKE as the above information seems to show, wouldn't that throw all these fotos in doubt? As in, fake, planted evidence at a faked plane-crash scene?

I agree Pablo.

It seems the entire official story is contrived, as most all of the evidence contradicts the official story.

interesting post and links pablo.

heretic show us some evidence based examples of your claim please.

Manx

The biggest part of the evidence I have to offer is no longer available on the internet. About 2 years ago, the videos that HAD been there were taken down. Those were the videos, at least one of which I remember on the day that it happened, and all 3 of which I have viewed several times since, taken from 3 different news helicopters as they flew over the Shanksville sight. Those videos showed, and the camera operator/newsman's narrative pointed out, that there was nothing there in the field. Some scorched grass and some odd paper debris around the perimeter, but no airplane parts at all that would have been consistent with a 757 with passengers onboard having crashed there.

In addition, the testimony of the local coroner and several of his underlings also indicated there was nothing there. Apparently he came under pressure from the Pentagon officials who showed up to investigate a civilian airliner crash, and some days later he recanted his testimony.

Further, the group at Pilots For Truth, after 4 years of FOIA requests, acquired and analyzed the Flight Data Recorder that the government claimed belonged to flight 93. Parts of that analysis contradicted the official narrative about the last 30 minutes of that airplane's flight.

The Lyles id seems legit. Apparently after she remarried, she got a duplicate driver's license in 2001 to reflect her name change. When a duplicate is issued, Florida puts but the original issue date and the duplicate issue date on the license.

Information confirming this can be found both in the letsroll discussion link provided above and this website: http://www.diegocuoghi.com/ceecee/english/index.html

The author of the site contacted Florida motor vehicles to confirm.

So, regarding the Lyle's matter. Someone actually reads the links provided (me) and discovered that this claim is bullshit, and no acknowledgement from the original poster (pablonovi) or those who "agree...[that] most all evidence contradicts the official story" (heretic) for three weeks.

Rock on.

Just for the record Melville, my position regarding Shanksville is not based upon the existence of various identification papers or seat belts etc, it is based upon the fact that the videos and pictures taken from overhead the field on the day it happened, and the statements of the first responders, showed that NO 757 wreckage was in that field that day. And I base that upon my life's experiences--I have seen numerous aircraft wrecks and accidents, and with a few exceptions, there is ALWAYS some sort of recognizable debris at the scene of the accident.

Shanksville had no debris consistent with a passenger-carrying 757, sorry.

Heretic76 wrote:Shanksville had no debris consistent with a passenger-carrying 757, sorry.

Your opinion and bare assertions do not constitute evidence. The evidence is shown in this thread. Look at it and prove it fake. Talk is talk.

If you have the fucking audacity to quote Phil Jayhan here, or support his work, then prove your claims.

Excuse me for the outburst, I get that way with a piece of shit like Jayhan who claims the people who jumped out of the WTC were robotic mannequins and splat dummies.

I get the distinct feeling you are here to promote his work. Jayhan and cluesforums have a veritable army of disruptors clobbering up forums across the web with useless discussion.

I noted you were a troll the minute you set foot on this forum, and if it were up to me, you'd be gone right now. I see your kind swarm the Above Top Secret forums spreading your disinformation in concert, keeping the discussion going in a nice, endless diversionary treadmill.

What is the dead giveaway? Epistemological solipsism. That is, you feel you are entitled to claim anything and everything you deem unhelpful evidence to be fake. 'Fake' as in, everything that supports your argument is real, and everything that doesn't is 'fake'.

Word to anybody who cares about deliberate disruption on the internet: if you see the behavior described in the previous paragraph, ban the entity exhibiting it without hesitation.

Snow

With all due respect sir, you don't quite get it--I post as an individual, speaking ONLY for myself. Until about a month ago, I didn't even KNOW who Phil Jayhan even was. And I must say that your obsession with various personae--Jayhan being but one person--makes it appear that you are far more interested in talking about personalities than in talking about ideas.

Trying to stay on topic here regarding 93, I do not rely upon Jayhan, Balsamo or any other person you might hold such hatred for.

I rely upon ME, and my life experiences in 40+ years of aviation, and what I saw with MY OWN TWO EYEBALLS on 11 September. I seriously wonder if you comprehend that simple statement.....

On the day, I saw the videos from overhead the field and heard the comments of those onboard the news helicopters, and I agreed then and now with what they said--there was NO wrecked 757 in that field. It wasn't until sometime later that I read the comments of Mr. Miller and a variety of other first responders. And I also heard Mr. Miller's subsequent coerced retraction.

You might not be able to appreciate it Snow, but just how does one go about "hiding" an entire 757? How does that work, exactly? I've seen first hand many aircraft accidents with my OWN EYES, both military and civilian, and with a few notable exceptions, there is always something to see.

And the other interesting phenomenon is that for 6 or 8 years I'm guessing, those videos shot at Shanksville could be viewed on the internet. They showed nothing was there even remotely resembling a 757 with passengers, just as they did on 11 September.

Now, in accordance with the standards of a proper government coverup, those videos have been removed from the internet, Orwellian style, maybe 2 years ago.

To a brilliant analyst such as yourself, that removal might not mean anything, but to us lowly common folks, it means something.

So you can call me any dirty name you wish, but you will have to pardon my strong skepticism of the authenticity and accuracy of pictures supposedly showing the parts of 93. Wherever those pieces came from, they did not come from that field that day. That the US Justice Department showed contrived evidence is a "trial" is pretty much within normal operating procedures for that Department.

That you are too highly refined to "get that" speaks volumes about you.