Please clarify we.
I've done my share of debating over the last few years and I've realized that, as a member of the "truth" movement, even when you are right you are still wrong in everyone else's eyes. You think you have somebody handily beaten and then they say well so and so website has a list of all the engineering organizations who support NIST or implosionworld has its list of demo experts. Its just major appeal to authority. So long as CTBUH disagrees with demolition without explanation, its OK, in the eyes of the OCT'er, for them to bash NIST in lots of detail and support their hypothesis.